Can you name the powers that have ruled the land of modern-day Israel? by tk1712

Can you name the powers that have ruled the land of modern-day Israel?

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Time Period	Country/Empire/Group	Additional Info
c.4500-c.1450 BCE
c.1450-1178 BCE		Conquered by the New Kingdom.
1000-586 BCE
733-627 BCE
586-539 BCE
539-332 BCE
332-320 BCE
320-315, 312, 301-200 BCE
315-312, 312-301 BCE
200-140 BCE
167-164, 140-63 BCE
63 BCE-260 CE, 271-395 CE
260- 271 CE
395- 614, 628-636 CE
614-628 CE
636-656 CE
656-750 CE
750-878, 904-939 CE
878-904 CE
939-969 CE
969-1073, 1098-1099 CE
1073-1098 CE
1099-1187 CE
1187-1260 CE
1260 CE, 1300 CE
1260-1300, 1300-1516 CE
1516-1917 CE
1917-1948 CE
1948 CE-Present
1948 CE-Present
1948-1967 CE
1948-1956, 1957-1967 CE

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Control of the Holy Land Quiz

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Created Apr 23, 2012 in History
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	tk1712:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 03:22 GMT		5 points
	This is my first quiz, tell me what you think. I have OCD about historical correctness, so I made sure to get all the dates correct that I could. Let me know if I've made any mistakes and I'll get on it. I know the question about 1947 will arise. The land actually became Israeli/Arab controlled in 1947, in 1948 is when it was given full autonomy. Hence, the Arab allies didn't invade until 1948 when the UN left.

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	totesmagotes5:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 03:35 GMT		4 points
	Since some of the "extra info" discusses the end of other empires, etc., it's sort of easy to cheat, i.e. was easy to get Mamluk after having gotten Ottoman and so on.

	tk1712:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 03:42 GMT		4 points
	@chriskotx honestly I prefer the use of BC/AD, but because it's Israel I'm talking about I don't want to offend any of our Jewish friends who don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. I read a lot of Israeli news and they don't use the BC/AD ever, understandably.

	tk1712:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 03:44 GMT		2 points
	@totesmagotes5 Yeah I wondered if some of the additional info was too much. I might consider making it ordered in order to prevent cheating, even though people can just skip... I might just take the extra info out altogether. I'll look into it.

	tk1712:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 05:52 GMT		2 points
	Corrected some historical and grammatical mistakes. I'll try editing the info boxes tomorrow to remove clues that could give away answers. Thanks for the heads up on that, I didn't really think of it beforehand.

	AdamBishop:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 14:42 GMT		7 points
	If you're talking about all the territory of modern Israel, the crusaders held on to parts of it continuously from 1099-1291 (and if you just mean Jerusalem, they also held that from 1229-1244). The Ayyubids were also split into various smaller states (in particular the emirates of Homs and Damascus). The caliphates and secular empires also have a weird relationship...it might be best to distinguish between the Ummayad and Abbasid caliphates, the Ummayads certainly didn't last until 1073. There was also a Fatimid caliphate in Egypt starting in the 10th century, which (as you mentioned in a note) also held Palestine. The Seljuks were sort of the secular arm of the Abbasids, but Great Seljuk had also split off into independent emirates (in Aleppo, Homs, Damascus, etc). There were also two separate Mamluk dynasties. I'm sure the same could be said for the other historical periods! This is all minor quibbling, of course...adding all this stuff would make it needlessly complicated.

	johnlk:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 16:12 GMT		4 points
	Jordan ruled, among other parts of the Holy Land, the Old City of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967. I also agree that it would make more sense to separate out the Caliphates - the Fatimid Caliphate, in Cairo, was certainly distinct from the Abbasid one, in Baghdad.

	johnlk:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 16:14 GMT		5 points
	I'd also note that 1948 is definitely the right year for the foundation of Israel. The partition plan was passed by the UN in 1947, but the British were still in charge until 1948. There was a high commissioner and the British flag flying over public buildings and everything.

	tk1712:	Apr 24th, 2012 at 22:17 GMT		2 points
	@AdamBishop I'm referring to majority control over Israel/Palestine/Canaan/Holy Land, not one city in particular. The Crusaders held onto many coastal settlements and periodically seized territory further inland, but never held the majority of the land of Israel after 1187. As for the Ayyubid Caliphate, I couldn't find much in my research to suggest that any other nation/empire had majority rule over the land of Israel. I added in the different Islamic Caliphates like you suggested.

	JakeWasHere:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 04:17 GMT		9 points
	Hate to be this guy, but the Arabs never actually accepted the partition plan, so having a Palestinian state dating from 1948 isn't really correct (don't want to turn this political but it is Sporcle so we get nitpicky, 1994 and the Oslo Accords is probably a better date for the beginning of a Palestinian state). Also, if you're giving Jordan credit for controlling the west bank from 1948-1967 you should also add Egypt, which controlled the Gaza strip unofficially for the same time period and officially from 1959-1967.

	tk1712:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 05:29 GMT		0 points
	@JakeWasHere the Arabs didn't accept it but most of the UN did, and a Palestinian state is recognized by most of the world. I personally do not recognize a Palestinian state, but it's the national leaders who get to decide who is a state and who isn't, so I have to put it down in the quiz. And I'm glad you pointed that out about Egypt and the Gaza Strip. Now that I think of it, it's kind of obvious.

	highbad:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 07:52 GMT		4 points
	Any chance you'd accept "Maccabees" for "Maccabean Revolt", or are you specifically looking for the name of the established government?

	Selicate:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 09:03 GMT		2 points
	When referencing direct predecessors in the additional information sections, maybe try something like "preceding holders" or "former controllers." Causes a slight problem for people who don't have the show missed answers option enabled, but I feel it would make the quiz more enjoyable.

	spuriousname:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 15:38 GMT		2 points
	If you are going for completeness, and are including relatively short-lived periods of control, you probably ought to add the Palmyrene Empire. It is true it was a splinter state, and only controlled Israel/Palestine from 260-271 CE, but there certainly was no Roman authority in the region during that time.

	epicirish:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 16:20 GMT		3 points
	Good content. If you're going to leave the addl info, I think you should make the 3rd column wider than the other two so there's not as much scrolling. It may cause the headers to wrap but it will save a lot of space.

	tk1712:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 17:26 GMT		2 points
	@highbad "Maccabean Revolt" and "Maccabee" is already accepted.

	likk9922:	Apr 25th, 2012 at 19:43 GMT		3 points
	If you're going to label the Seleucids as Hellenistic Mesopotamia, could you please also accept Hellenistic Egypt? Great quiz, very thorough!

	JulieJ:	Apr 28th, 2012 at 00:58 GMT		2 points
	Enjoyable quiz! I'll admit that most of the ones I missed were ones I simply did not know (like all of the different caliphates). However, "the Ptolemies" is often used when referring to the Ptolemaic Empire, a response that is not accepted here, but should be. Also, having some previous answers "given away" by mention in the Additional Info column is not necessarily a bad thing. For those struggling with a number of answers, they offer incentive to keep trying for "just one more" and completing the quiz, rather than giving up early on. (BTW, you need to add an additional "i" to "Additional Info"...you have "Additonal.")

	tk1712:	Apr 28th, 2012 at 02:32 GMT		3 points
	I don't think Ptolemies should be an answer only because it refers to the leaders and not the empire; yes, the empires were named after their respective founders, but the empires were never refered to as the "Antigonids" or "Seleucids". Perhaps as a demonym in reference to their subjects, but that would be like making "Americans" acceptable instead of "America".

	Mushu2:	Apr 28th, 2012 at 20:54 GMT		2 points
	Nice quiz, but a lot of the answers are given away in the 'additional info' section...

	volkstraum:	Apr 29th, 2012 at 06:58 GMT		1 point
	Jesus is a notable native of the land in question, so I think the BC/AD is appropriate here. This site uses a GMT date and time label on every post, which you wouldn't find in any Jewish newspaper. Or a "plus" sign for that matter.

	bowsntoys:	Apr 30th, 2012 at 05:25 GMT		3 points
	Even though I knew very few of the answer, I liked reading the info in the extra column and learning new things. That's what makes a great history game. Fantastic job! 5 globes and a fave. :)

	remanh:	May 1st, 2012 at 01:44 GMT		3 points
	Excellent quiz! I also hate to be that guy, but just because the UN accepted the partition plan doesn't mean it actually came to fruition. The Arabs never accepted it, and a Palestinian state was never created in 1948. De facto, there is no real Palestinian state as of right now (I'm not even going to touch whether there should be or not. Just like the British were in the land until May 14, 1948, there was no Jewish state before then (not in 1947, when the partition plan was passed), and no Palestinian state before then. The Israelis then declared independence, the Arabs did not. If you want, the "State of Palestine" was created in 1988 - I think Oslo was the first time they ever got any semblance of control. Even so, it's not really a Palestinian country with full autonomy, and the West still doesn't acknowledge it as an official state. Also, Gaza was never part of the Holy Land, especially dating back to biblical times; it was Philistia. (But if you decide to keep Egypt 1948-1967, make sure to add the Philistines in the 3rd millennium BCE as well.) That Israel conquered it in 1967 was a bonus, just like the Sinai.

	tk1712:	May 4th, 2012 at 01:51 GMT		0 points
	Because of the complicated modern international politics, I've included the claimed and recognized territories of the various nations, like the Palestinians for instance. Yes, they don't really have much control, but they are still recognized as a state by most of the world, just like Israel is. The whole thing is a confusing mess, but to avoid offending anyone and to ensure I include the entire scope of the land's modern politics, I went ahead and included the things I thought were pertinent. You may disagree, and I will not try to sway your opinion. I am simply trying to be as objective as possible.

	Cecispanda:	May 6th, 2012 at 18:42 GMT		3 points
	Consistency with the place name/demonym would be nice. I put "Assyria" and got nothing, but then I typed "Persian" too fast and only when I deleted the n did I get the answer. Some of it just feels way too strict; after typing Greek and Alexander, I sat their perplexed before getting it.

	Booger:	Jun 14th, 2012 at 19:44 GMT		3 points
	JakeWasHere and remanh are actually correct. The Arabs rejected the partition plan, so there is no way one can say there has been any "Arab State" in the West Bank and Gaza since 1948. To the contrary, as you have already noted, the West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt. There were no calls from 1948 to 1967 to create any Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. It's only when Israel captured those areas during the war in 1967 that there was any demand for what the Arabs had rejected in 1948, i.e., an Arab Palestinian state on the West side of the Jordan River.

	dm1891:	Jun 20th, 2012 at 03:13 GMT		2 points
	Mr tk1712: most of the world does not recognize Palestine. You're basing this on most SEATS OF THE UN - NOT the world. Even if we say that every seat in the UN represents the entire population of its sovereign territory, most of the countries that recognize Palestine are sparesly populated (a few exceptions, of course)

	tk1712:	Jun 24th, 2012 at 03:31 GMT		1 point
	Due to the ambiguity of the existence of the Palestinian state (which is technically in exile) I went ahead and put it in. Even though the Palestinian government doesn't really exercise control, nor does it have a military, tax revenue system, or infrastructure system, it is a declared state recognized by much of the world. The state of Taiwan is actually considered part of the People's Republic of China by most of the world, and not recognized as an independent sovereign nation, but you find it on every quiz on this site. So it's not fair to single out a single state that may or may not really exist and say it shouldn't be named in a quiz regarding the land it presides over. Therefore, I included it. I hate to get subjective here in an argument where I'm trying to be as objective as possible, but I personally do not think Palestine is a state, nor do I believe there is even such thing as a Palestinian people (they're just Arabs who settled the land in the vacuum that occured when the Romans expelled the Jews - it is not their ancestral land). But I've put my bias aside for the sake of a quiz to try to give as much fair and accurate information as I can. I'm not trying to use this as an instrument to mold peoples' minds (like college professors use their classes), but rather to give people a fair chance to make their own decisions. I respect all your opinions and think they all hold weight, but in the spirit of equality and objectivity I will not change the quiz.

	tk1712:	Jun 24th, 2012 at 03:34 GMT		2 points
	^Correction: I will change objective facts in the quiz, like dates for example, if they are found erroneous. But that's all.

	lalalalalalala71:	Oct 8th, 2012 at 10:40 GMT		0 points
	tk1712, I have created a user account just to post here, asking you to reconsider the dates for the Palestinian state. On the one hand, you contend that you look for historical accuracy and objectivity, which is commendable; also, you yourself have written the answer as "Arab state/Palestinian state". On the other hand, I'd ask you to consider a number of new input. First, if you consider the 1947 Arab state as existent just because of the UNGA Resolution 181, then you should include the third "ruler" of the land of Israel provided for by the Resolution, the internationally-ruled "corpus separatum" of Jerusalem. Second, if the present-day internationally-recognised Palestinian state is the same entity as created by the 181 Resolution, why the different names, which difference, as I have already pointed out, you acknowledge as of now? Third, there is the issue of what the people thought back then. Since Jordan and Egypt already existed in 1947, they cannot be the "Arab state" of Resolution 181, right? Well, as has been pointed out, nobody, within or without the Arab world, posited any Arab state as existent and ruling any part of Eretz Yisrael, between 1948 and 1967, other than Egypt and Jordan. It was a non-issue, back then. The Palestinian national identity simply didn't exist - that's why Resolution 181 does not speak of a "Jewish" and a "Palestinian" state. Palestinian national identity emerges only in the early 1960s, with the creation of the Palestine Liberation Organization. So, by implying such an "Arab state" ruled, even only "de jure", the land of Israel during the 1950s, is anachronistic, is historically wrong. Fourth, as has been pointed out, the Arabs, both in and out of the British Mandate, thoroughly rejected Resolution 181, as has been pointed out by others here. Such rejection has brought about a heavy cost in lives, both of Jews and Arabs. The refugee issue stems exclusively from such a rejection. On the Israeli side, a number of soldiers who were the sole members of their families to have s

	lalalalalalala71:	Oct 8th, 2012 at 10:45 GMT		1 point
	Augh, I've lost part of my comment. Long story short: I think that, in order to respect historical truth and the suffering caused by the Arabs' rejection of Resolution 181, you should remove all references to it and its "Arab state" and consider a Palestinian state as existing either since November 15th 1988, with the Palestinian Declaration of Independence, or September 13th 1993, with the signing at Camp David of the Oslo I Accord, which created the Israeli-recognised Palestinian National Authority. You state your position is based on worldwide recognition of Palestine; well, even those states who do recognise it do so on the basis of the 1988 Declaration of Independence. There is no historical sense in positing an existent, as opposed to a proposed/desired, Palestinian state before that.

	Acid_Snow:	Feb 24th, 2013 at 01:31 GMT		1 point
	So I knew Rashidun and Antigonid, but somehow missed Canaanite tribes. Is it fair to suggest that "Canaan" be accepted (even if it is exceedingly vague)? And while the Palestine issue will be a bit annoying, I will put in my one cent: Sporcle announced fairly early in 2013 that Palestine would be the 197th recognized country by Geography quizzes (and many are going back and adding it if necessary). I don't know about the History subject, but I'd assume consistency works best.