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HOF Monitor above 100, and HOF Standards above 50 indicate a strong likelihood of induction. Can you name the not-yet-eligible leaders in those categories? This includes retired players after 2005.
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Oct 15th, 2010 at 04:07 GMT
I'd suggest putting a note at the top mentioning that this only includes players that COULD BE eligible; otherwise, you need some Shoeless Joe and Charlie Hustle.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 04:21 GMT
I think you are missing Jeff Bagwell.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 04:27 GMT
Bagwell is currently eligible because he played his last game (sometime in 2005) over 5 years ago, so he's eligible for the election this coming winter. I'm just going off the list - but this quiz will be valid for one year.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 04:31 GMT
@kicking - I would have but I ran out of room. So I'll say it here: No rose or shoeless joe.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 04:41 GMT
Technically he played his last game in the world series that year which is less than 5 years ago. I guess I see it as he has yet to be on the ballot.
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Oct 15th, 2010 at 05:05 GMT
You seem to be missing Roberto Alomar (194 on the HoF Monitor and 57 on the HoF Standards).
Oct 15th, 2010 at 05:12 GMT
Alomar was on the ballot last year.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 05:18 GMT
Jose Mesa in the baseball HOF would be hilarious.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 05:39 GMT
players on HoF standards I do not think will get in (if only based on performance, not steroid use): sheffield, helton, abreu, kent
Oct 15th, 2010 at 05:40 GMT
I'd argue that all four of them were better than Jim Rice or Andre Dawson were.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 06:52 GMT
Sheffield is in the palmeiro/mcgwire boat - has the 500 home runs, but linked to steroids so he'll be in limbo until voters figure out what to do with the roiders. Abreu has quietly put up a very solid career- I would be surprised if he got to 3,000 hits, but since he walks so much, future voters will probably be more interested in walks + hits than hits per se, and might make the HOF eventually. Remember, Kent was a 2B, and he won an MVP - and he is arguably the best offensive 2B since Rogers Hornsby, so I don't think it's too far-fetched.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 07:05 GMT
Abreu has been on base 3630 times in his career, good for 22nd all time among outfielders through age 36 - right between Ted Williams and Ken Griffey, Jr, and there are tons of HOFers below him on that list. In fact, everyone ahead of him is in the HOF except Bonds, Rose, Manny, Sheffield and Rusty Staub. He might do it!
Oct 15th, 2010 at 13:41 GMT
Abreu's destined for the Hall of Very Good. Will Clark couldn't get any love from the committee this year and I don't see their standards changing that drastically in the next decade, unfortunately.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 14:00 GMT
Pretty shocking to see guys like Jason Kendall and Jose Mesa, but no Jim Edmonds?
Oct 15th, 2010 at 14:33 GMT
@awix-you are nuts if you think sheffield wouldnt get in based solely on performance. jeff kent, is a sure fire hall of famer. no way he doesnt get in. kent has over 100 more home runs than joe morgan, only 50 less hits in 800 less at bats, and also has a higher career batting average than morgan. im not saying he's better than morgan, but those offensive stats dont lie, kent belongs in cooperstown.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 14:40 GMT
Oops--in the HOF monitor for pitchers, I didn't think about relievers. And I would have got the two for sure had I thought of them. Interestingly enough, for the batters, I thought about 2 of the 4 I missed, but dismissed them as not having good enough credentials.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 15:15 GMT
Somehow I always forget about Manny in these kind of quizzes. Maybe my brain has already passed judgment on him...
Oct 15th, 2010 at 15:36 GMT
D'oh. Missed Ivan Rodriguez because I thought I'd typed "rodriguez" instead of "arod."
Oct 15th, 2010 at 17:15 GMT
Got bernie williams, forgot Bonds. Wow.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 17:44 GMT
the ratings system for relievers gets pretty wonky. Most of the hall of fame relievers didnt have ridiculously high save totals because the managers didnt put them in cherry-picked save situations back in the 70s like they do now - so the closers who were able to hang around in this saves-oriented era and rack up high-volume, low-quality saves will have their HOF odds inflated.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 18:01 GMT
Jeff Kent was carried by Barry Bonds. Without Bonds, Kent is mediocre at best.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 18:24 GMT
Kent killed it for the Astros. Was he carried by Lance Berkman there?
Oct 15th, 2010 at 18:38 GMT
why do I always forget Abreu?
Oct 15th, 2010 at 19:48 GMT
Some names I was surprised not to see: Edmonds, Rolen, Renteria, Damon Names I was surprise TO see: Mesa, Kendall, Garciaparra Big names I missed: Martinez, Ichiro, Guerrero After it's all said and done, a very good quiz. I think anyone who's made two of these, without bringing steroids into the conversation, is a Hall of Fame lock
Oct 15th, 2010 at 19:50 GMT
Kent had Bagwell, Biggio, Ensberg, and, for one year, Beltran. Not exactly a weak lineup. But I don't buy that any hitter can be carried by any one hitter. Sure, hitting behind the best on-base guy in the modern era is a big boost in the RBI column but his hitting was good all around. Bonds probably deserved that MVP over Kent, but Kent wasn't just some tag-along slouch.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 19:54 GMT
And yes, based on on-field performance, Sheffield definitely is hall-worthy. Steroids and his general public image might keep him out.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 19:58 GMT
@awix: how can you say that helton doesn't belong in the hall????
Oct 15th, 2010 at 20:54 GMT
I think Helton gets hurt by the perception that Coors is a freakish side show of a park. Helton at Coors Field - .356, .454, .628, 1.082. Helton away from Coors Field - .291, .392, .481, .873. Helton looks like Babe Ruth or Ted Williams at Coors Field, and like Harold Baines or Will Clark away from Coors Field. I think he'll still probably get in, but that's going to cause some hesitation.
Oct 15th, 2010 at 22:10 GMT
I think it's interesting that Ichiro is not even close according to HOF standards. If he retired today, he'd get my vote (that is, if I actually had one).
Oct 15th, 2010 at 23:34 GMT
Ichiro has a shorter career from playing his first nine years in Japan, which hurts him a lot in HoF standards but which voters won't hold against him. He also doesn't get his defense counted in his favor on HoF standards, but it shows up both in awards and in defensive metrics. Plus he'll get some credit for dominating the NPB for almost a decade before joining the majors. No way Ichiro doesn't get in.
Oct 16th, 2010 at 00:41 GMT
I looked on the source. I feel bad for Roberto Alomar and Jim McCormick. They are the highest in each category that is eligible but not enshrined and they are above lots of players who are. At least Alomar has a good chance to make it next year. McCormick played in the 1880s so he probably will never make it.
Oct 16th, 2010 at 03:58 GMT
i watched abreu play for the phils for many years. never thought "i'm looking at a hall of famer."
Oct 16th, 2010 at 20:38 GMT
What is Halladay's hall of fame standard?
Oct 18th, 2010 at 00:24 GMT
Oct 18th, 2010 at 04:20 GMT
@danntara: Halladay's at 39. He'll probably cross over to 40 in his first start of the 2011 season :D
Oct 18th, 2010 at 13:52 GMT
The pompous asses that vote for this won't let any of these guys in. Can't possibly allow someone who might have maybe taken steroids at some point maybe into the absolutely sacred Hall of Fame.
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Oct 19th, 2010 at 04:28 GMT
you should put strasburg as a bonus answer
Oct 19th, 2010 at 14:28 GMT
Cool quiz, but looking at how these scores are calculated at the source link, I'm kind of surprised at how "milestone-y" and old-fashioned it is, as opposed to rate-oriented and using slightly more advanced metrics than batting average and RBIs. Guess I'm just annoyed to see A-Rod ranked over Bonds, when the latter is possibly the greatest hitter of all time :)
Oct 19th, 2010 at 17:06 GMT
@spacecow: they try to calculate how LIKELY and not necessarily how DESERVING the player is. Old fogey voters have historically looked at those old fashioned stats so they provide the best model for votership (if that is a word).
Oct 19th, 2010 at 19:26 GMT
I kept entering 'Strasburg' and it wouldnt accept it...
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