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Jan 21st, 2013 at 06:33 GMT
Should there be some recognition that the four countries like Italy changed sides as co-belligerents towards the end of the war? So whilst Italy fought the allies in campaigns like North Africa they also fought the Germans once they deposed Mussolini.
Jan 21st, 2013 at 07:00 GMT
Maybe have, for example, Italy (1940-43); Italy (1943-45) or Italy (Mussolini); Italy (post-Mussolini).
Jan 21st, 2013 at 22:47 GMT
Same could be said for Iraq. They were allied with the Axis only briefly (less than 2 months) before Britain intervened and restored the pro-Western Regent Abdul Ilah.
Jan 22nd, 2013 at 00:49 GMT
Iraq was in the Allies far longer than the Axis. Also on the side changing Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia all switched sides. Maybe you could put which alliance they were in the longest in the description?
Jan 22nd, 2013 at 09:59 GMT
You could toss in (for example) Slovakia, Czecho-Slovakia and Croatia for interest. Also perhaps add a category for the countries that stayed neutral from September 1939 to October 1945 without ever formally aligning with either side (e.g. Ireland, Switzerland).
Jan 23rd, 2013 at 00:13 GMT
All great comments...now I don't have anything to add :)
Jan 23rd, 2013 at 00:22 GMT
Longest duration of alliance would be good. Romania/Hungary/Bulgaria certainly belong with the Axis, but it is worth noting that they did switch sides. And I also agree that adding neutrality to the quiz would make it tougher. "Yugoslavia" is kind of an issue too, since it only existed as such until April 1941, when it was divided into the NDH/occupied Serbia, etc...Maybe some work to do, but altogether a very good quiz.
Jan 23rd, 2013 at 09:25 GMT
also finland didnt side with the germans until after the ussr invaded and while they had the same interests as the germans (the defeat of the ussr) they werent fighting for any cause other than their independence
Jan 23rd, 2013 at 13:39 GMT
Countries like Italy, Romania, and Bulgaria were still considered Axis Powers after they switched sides. Iraq, on the other hand, signed the Declaration by United Nations and was considered a full member of the Allied group. I don't see how "Axis" can be the correct answer for Iraq.
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Jan 23rd, 2013 at 14:52 GMT
Soviet Union as an ally? Seems to me that they attacked Poland in September 1939, and later Finland. Perhaps including dates would help to clarify your intent
Jan 23rd, 2013 at 18:21 GMT
Merely claiming there are two side doesn't really work in this case. I wouldn't call the SU nor China Allied, nor is Finland an Axis power.
Jan 24th, 2013 at 05:55 GMT
This is an editors pick? Do sporcle editors also think all WWII beligerents fit so neatly into two diametrically opposed categories?
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Jan 24th, 2013 at 11:08 GMT
To this day Finnish schools teach the policy of "Jedem das Seine", or that "Jews got what they deserved in Nazi concentration camps". And most of the idiots lap it up with the big spoon. Also during the war Finland rounded up all the Jews living there and sent them to concentration camps in Central Europe. And also to this day, when WW2 veterans die in Finland and have their obituaries printed in various Finnish newspapers, they always prominently feature a hulking big swastika to show what they fought for. So yeah, Finland most definitely was an Axis nation.
Jan 24th, 2013 at 19:36 GMT
Also to shake things up, how about throwing in France and Vichy France?
Jan 24th, 2013 at 23:59 GMT
@Vasiliy, I don't pretend to know much about it (I don't), but most sources do not seem to support the contention that the Finns rounded up all Jews living there and sent them to concerntration camps.
Jan 25th, 2013 at 03:55 GMT
My German isn't great, but "Jedem das Seine" translates to something like "To each his own". It has nothing to do with Jews or concentration camps
Jan 25th, 2013 at 15:12 GMT
@Baconine, according to Wikipedia: "In 1937, the Nazis constructed the Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany. The motto Jedem das Seine was placed over the camp's main entrance gate."
Jan 26th, 2013 at 12:14 GMT
While some are debatable depending on timescales (Italy, say) I'm really not convinced by the presence of Iraq or especially Finland as Axis nations. Finland was a democracy invaded by a dictatorship - they are the forgotten Poland.
Jan 29th, 2013 at 10:20 GMT
Finnish volunteers did fight with the Axis armies against the USSR, so it's not all that unfair to class them broadly as Axis, one of the four independent nations besides Italy, Japan and Germany-Austria to do so (with Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria).
However Lucy Davidowicz's
The War Against the Jews 1933-1945
and Wikipedia's articles on the "Continuation War" and the "History of the Jews in Finland" agree that there was no Finnish participation or cooperation in the Holocaust; when Himmler visited Helsinki in the summer of 1942, the Finns told him they had no Jewish Problem. Several hundred of the 2,300 Jews in Finland served in their country's army against the Red Army and with the Axis armies; among other curiosities, this led to three Jews winning, but declining, the Iron Cross, a Finnish army field synagogue behind Axis lines and Jewish medical officers treating Axis wounded. After eight non-Finnish Jewish refugees to Finland had been handed over to the Gestapo, there was sufficient protest by religious leaders and Social Democratic members of the wartime coalition government to prevent any repeat. Finland's treatment of the Jews, according to Wikipedia's articles, wasn't perfect (some refugees were sent to Finnish camps and their position as Communist political commissars doomed some Jewish Soviet POW's swapped with the Germans for Finnish POW's) but it can't be considered collaboration or connivance with the Holocaust.
Jan 30th, 2013 at 20:54 GMT
Finland was allied with Nazi Germany, hence it belongs on the Axis side. Its attitude to the Jews is irrelevant (and plenty of countries on the allied side were hardly friendly to Jews, while some Axis powers had little or no anti-Semitism). You might also note that the USSR was originally on the German side, but soon switched.
Feb 4th, 2013 at 22:31 GMT
Finland willingly allied itself with Germany to invade the Soviet Union; Romania had also lost territory to the Soviets in 1939-40. It was really the USSR that caused those countries to end up on the wrong side, since Stalin invaded them early in the war, and they wanted their territory back. However, they were both treated as Axis nations by the Allies. Iraq, on the other hand--I've never heard of Iraq being considered an Axis nation. It was a charter member of the U.N. in 1945, which no nation considered to be an Axis nation could have been. As for Italy, joining the other side after you've been whupped, when you helped to start the thing off in the first place--no I'm afraid you can't get a "bye" on being an Axis nation. Or we'll leave it up to the Ethiopians, Albanians, and Greeks to judge that one.
Feb 20th, 2013 at 06:12 GMT
Italians never fought. Hence the joke Do you want to buy some Italian rifles? Never been fired, only dropped once
Apr 20th, 2013 at 15:02 GMT
There are arguments on both sides regarding Finland. Finland's "brothership-in-arms" with Nazi Germany was actually the subject of a research paper I wrote in undergrad, and it gets really confusing. The Finns certainly accepted German help and participated in the German invasion of the Soviet Union (what the Finns call the "continuation war"). At the same time, Finland was the last country in Europe that was accepting German Jews fleeing the Nazis (long after Britain, e.g., was turning them away.) Despite what the person above said, Finland certainly did not round up their Jews and send them to Germany. They did pass certain restrictions on Jews' freedom at the Germans' insistence. There are also individual stories of Finnish heroism -- look up Hannu Rautkallio sometime. In addition, the Finns never signed the Tripartite Treaty or officially joined the axis. My suggestion would be to leave them off entirely and limit "Axis" powers to those who signed the Tripartite Treaty.
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